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## Debate Wars

### Riots - Page 2

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#### Re: Riots

Posted by: Missing? NO!
Date: 2017-09-05 14:46:13
Protesting is one thing. Rioting is another.
I think the only time a riot was justified was in Charlottesville. When Neo-Nazis and white supremacists are demonstrating like that, I feel as if riots and violence to stop them is justified. Yes, everyone is entitled to their own free-speech and the right to demonstrate, but, when those viewpoints are hateful, discriminatory, and as toxic as a Nazi ideology is, then yes, "punching a Nazi" is justified.
However, that's the only case where rioting is justified. Looting stores, attacking police, and punching those who disagree with you are no ways to get a point across and affect how your viewpoint is perceived. Attacking people simply because they do not agree with a viewpoint you've presented merely harms the validity of your own argument. While they may be rioting for a good cause, as racism and race inequality is prevalent even in today's society, there are tons of better ways to get that argument across rather than rioting. Peaceful protests, kneeling for the anthem (shoutouts to Colin Kaepernick), and talking with government officials have a much better chance of getting things done than violent rioting does. When options like this exist, rioting cannot be justified.

#### Re: Riots

Posted by: ravioli
Date: 2017-09-08 21:03:00

> Protesting is one thing. Rioting is another.
> I think the only time a riot was justified was in Charlottesville. When Neo-Nazis and white supremacists are demonstrating like that, I feel as if riots and violence to stop them is justified. Yes, everyone is entitled to their own free-speech and the right to demonstrate, but, when those viewpoints are hateful, discriminatory, and as toxic as a Nazi ideology is, then yes, "punching a Nazi" is justified.

So when you support an ideology which inadvertently supports an ideology which does not function and will always bring upon a hateful and discriminatory society, its justified to protest in favour of it? Because that's what Marxism is. A failed ideology which when tried to achieve socialism fails every time and crumbles in despair and are miles away from achieving communism.

#### Re: Riots

Posted by: ravioli
Date: 2017-09-08 21:05:11

> Okay but then, ravioli, you're derailing the subject, if they were there for the anti-racism who cares what the rest of their convictions are …?
> Well whatever, since I know nothing about these riots I should probably stop butting in?

So, lets create an alternate situation. Let's say a group of anti-racists sprout up, but they also stand for forcing everybody to put cereal in their arsehole 5 times a day. Would you support them? Because it's the same case as supporting an anti-racist organization, but also spout communist dogma and support communism.
Let's think of the argument for disgruntled marriages with domestic violence. The man hits the woman, but he buys him flowers after. Does one right fix the disgusting wrong? The answer is no, it doesn't.

> > Obviously, AntiFa is only breaking into those stores so they can smash capitalism and distribute the ends of production to the common man.

> Even if big businesses lose… say, 5% of their worth in these break-ins, they're not gonna crumble. Ever. Capitalism is too engrained into the US to disappear over riots.

What big businesses are in local surburbia? Nobody riots and breaks into a fucking Burger King, they riot and loot into Matt's Grocery Store, (an example of a local buissness). People don't attack big businesses. That is rare.
The thing about capitalism is that most people think it is so over-monopolized than it really is. Look around your local town square, and look at your local economy for experience.

#### Re: Riots

Posted by: Parzival
Date: 2017-09-12 10:24:02

> The thing about capitalism is that most people think it is so over-monopolized than it really is. Look around your local town square, and look at your local economy for experience.

My local economy is drugs, a Yamaha watercraft monopoly, and a Toyota monopoly.

#### Re: Riots

Posted by: ravioli
Date: 2017-09-12 13:40:02

> > The thing about capitalism is that most people think it is so over-monopolized than it really is. Look around your local town square, and look at your local economy for experience.

> My local economy is drugs, a Yamaha watercraft monopoly, and a Toyota monopoly.

So you don't buy groceries anywhere? Where do you buy car parts? Where is the local car garage? Local gun store?
Come on now.

#### Re: Riots

Posted by: Parzival
Date: 2017-09-13 09:59:27

> > > The thing about capitalism is that most people think it is so over-monopolized than it really is. Look around your local town square, and look at your local economy for experience.

> > My local economy is drugs, a Yamaha watercraft monopoly, and a Toyota monopoly.

> So you don't buy groceries anywhere? Where do you buy car parts? Where is the local car garage? Local gun store?
> Come on now.

Walmart (an ongoing monopoly attempt, i'm counting it as a monopoly because they're almost done), 30 miles out (or online), 40 miles out, 60 miles out.
Come now, gimme harder questions.

#### Re: Riots

Posted by: ravioli
Date: 2017-09-13 17:57:16

> > > > The thing about capitalism is that most people think it is so over-monopolized than it really is. Look around your local town square, and look at your local economy for experience.

> > > My local economy is drugs, a Yamaha watercraft monopoly, and a Toyota monopoly.

> > So you don't buy groceries anywhere? Where do you buy car parts? Where is the local car garage? Local gun store?
> > Come on now.

> Walmart (an ongoing monopoly attempt, i'm counting it as a monopoly because they're almost done), 30 miles out (or online), 40 miles out, 60 miles out.
> Come now, gimme harder questions.

I would appreciate it if you stopped cherry picking big consumer brands around your area because I'm fairly certain they are NOT the only businesses around your area.

#### Re: Riots

Posted by: DoubleNegative
Date: 2017-09-13 20:51:48

> When Neo-Nazis and white supremacists are demonstrating like that, I feel as if riots and violence to stop them is justified. Yes, everyone is entitled to their own free-speech and the right to demonstrate, but, when those viewpoints are hateful, discriminatory, and as toxic as a Nazi ideology is, then yes, "punching a Nazi" is justified.

The issue with this is that you cannot objectively categorize viewpoints like this without lumping in other ideas that you would consider fine.
"Hateful" - expressing hate towards something is free speech. Calling for violence is incitement, which is an actual crime.
"Discriminatory" - the definition of discrimination means taking note of differences. You discriminate between friends and aquaintences. Discrimination is only illegal when it is done arbitrarily in hiring or pricing, or generally in economic relationships.
"Toxic" - a poison produced by biological processes. This probably isn't the word you're looking for.

#### Re: Riots

Posted by: Parzival
Date: 2017-09-14 07:59:00

> > When Neo-Nazis and white supremacists are demonstrating like that, I feel as if riots and violence to stop them is justified. Yes, everyone is entitled to their own free-speech and the right to demonstrate, but, when those viewpoints are hateful, discriminatory, and as toxic as a Nazi ideology is, then yes, "punching a Nazi" is justified.

> The issue with this is that you cannot objectively categorize viewpoints like this without lumping in other ideas that you would consider fine.
> "Hateful" - expressing hate towards something is free speech. Calling for violence is incitement, which is an actual crime.
> "Discriminatory" - the definition of discrimination means taking note of differences. You discriminate between friends and aquaintences. Discrimination is only illegal when it is done arbitrarily in hiring or pricing, or generally in economic relationships.
> "Toxic" - a poison produced by biological processes. This probably isn't the word you're looking for.

Extremist-level hate, discrimination rendered illegal (at this level) long ago, the words they spew might as well be poison from the depths of their body.
Let's not pick apart arguments on technicalities like this, now.

> > > > > The thing about capitalism is that most people think it is so over-monopolized than it really is. Look around your local town square, and look at your local economy for experience.

> > > > My local economy is drugs, a Yamaha watercraft monopoly, and a Toyota monopoly.

> > > So you don't buy groceries anywhere? Where do you buy car parts? Where is the local car garage? Local gun store?
> > > Come on now.

> > Walmart (an ongoing monopoly attempt, i'm counting it as a monopoly because they're almost done), 30 miles out (or online), 40 miles out, 60 miles out.
> > Come now, gimme harder questions.

> I would appreciate it if you stopped cherry picking big consumer brands around your area because I'm fairly certain they are NOT the only businesses around your area.

I would like to say I was cherry-picking this. The last local businesses only sell products from one brand each, so it's still technically monopolized. Unless you've been here, you'll complain forever about the impossibility, but it's completely true.

#### Re: Riots

Posted by: ravioli
Date: 2017-09-14 13:06:52

> > > When Neo-Nazis and white supremacists are demonstrating like that, I feel as if riots and violence to stop them is justified. Yes, everyone is entitled to their own free-speech and the right to demonstrate, but, when those viewpoints are hateful, discriminatory, and as toxic as a Nazi ideology is, then yes, "punching a Nazi" is justified.

> > The issue with this is that you cannot objectively categorize viewpoints like this without lumping in other ideas that you would consider fine.
> > "Hateful" - expressing hate towards something is free speech. Calling for violence is incitement, which is an actual crime.
> > "Discriminatory" - the definition of discrimination means taking note of differences. You discriminate between friends and aquaintences. Discrimination is only illegal when it is done arbitrarily in hiring or pricing, or generally in economic relationships.
> > "Toxic" - a poison produced by biological processes. This probably isn't the word you're looking for.

> Extremist-level hate, discrimination rendered illegal (at this level) long ago, the words they spew might as well be poison from the depths of their body.
> Let's not pick apart arguments on technicalities like this, now.

Do you think Antifa harasses any actual ''nazis?''. No. They harass ANYBODY from the right wing or who they deem is fascist, like veterans, trump supporters, etc etc.
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