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## Generation VI Glitch Discussion

### Invalid Pokémon in Gen 6 - Page 4

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#### Re: Invalid Pokémon in Gen 6

Posted by: MidnightNinetales
Date: 2015-02-27 17:06:02

> Sadly the game is bricked in a way that when after the Nintendo 3DS logo part, it just cuts to a black screen. Nothing can be done at all except either turn off the power/take out the game card.
> I also tried glitchmons in Bank somewhat. I was able to view them perfectly fine, but it crashed when trying to "Save and Quit". I didn't have a subscription but I believe that it probably can't save even after viewing a glitch. Bank handles Megas fine though.
> Are there any possible cool things for glitch moves? As stated before, 0x2000 doesn't actually have a description or a name and freezes in battle, but appears as a slash in the Move Deleter menu.
> I wonder if the softlock no sprite glitches work in contests.
> EDIT: New replies posted when I was typing this, here are responses:
> I got Level 200s from making the name PKHaX and was able to edit stats when I last used it.
> Stable glitches are mainly the hybrids with the random sprites. Those work in contests, battles and other stuff.

That's kind of worrisome. You think this happened because you saved with a glitch Pokemon in your party? Maybe it's best not to try trading them. Unless I kept it in the box the whole time? Will saving with a glitch Pokemon in the box also brick the game?

#### Re: Invalid Pokémon in Gen 6

Posted by: Flameduck
Date: 2015-02-27 17:57:59

> That's kind of worrisome. You think this happened because you saved with a glitch Pokemon in your party? Maybe it's best not to try trading them. Unless I kept it in the box the whole time? Will saving with a glitch Pokemon in the box also brick the game?

Saving with glitches in the box is fine. It may have been because of the other Pokemon in the party (Primal Groudon/Rainy Castform) but most likely the glitches.

#### Re: Invalid Pokémon in Gen 6

Posted by: rortik
Date: 2015-02-27 18:44:38
As others have inferred, I would be extremely careful when doing this. Lots of things cause the glitch pokemon to brick your cartridge.
You can still use Pokebank, and can still restore the game by backing up the save (I'm using Powersave) but your game will be COMPLETELY UNPLAYABLE if you don't have a way of doing this.
Still searching for a stable glitchmon.

#### Re: Invalid Pokémon in Gen 6

Posted by: MidnightNinetales
Date: 2015-02-27 19:29:21

> As others have inferred, I would be extremely careful when doing this. Lots of things cause the glitch pokemon to brick your cartridge.
> You can still use Pokebank, and can still restore the game by backing up the save (I'm using Powersave) but your game will be COMPLETELY UNPLAYABLE if you don't have a way of doing this.
> Still searching for a stable glitchmon.

I googled Powersave (I'd never really paid any attention to it before), and it seems like it would be really useful for researching glitch Pokemon. If I get it, does that mean I don't have to worry about bricking my game? I can fix the game that got bricked, not just transfer my file to another copy, right?

#### Re: Invalid Pokémon in Gen 6

Posted by: Tsukuu
Date: 2015-02-27 19:55:17

> > As others have inferred, I would be extremely careful when doing this. Lots of things cause the glitch pokemon to brick your cartridge.
> > You can still use Pokebank, and can still restore the game by backing up the save (I'm using Powersave) but your game will be COMPLETELY UNPLAYABLE if you don't have a way of doing this.
> > Still searching for a stable glitchmon.

> I googled Powersave (I'd never really paid any attention to it before), and it seems like it would be really useful for researching glitch Pokemon. If I get it, does that mean I don't have to worry about bricking my game? I can fix the game that got bricked, not just transfer my file to another copy, right?

Well, not really. It's known to zap cartridges, either randomly or after using for a while. Have seen lots of people on reddit and even a friend getting their games bricked (and it's physical, the game doesn't even show up on the 3DS anymore). And they limit you to their online cheat list, so for glitch research it'd be only useful for backuping (also keep in mind that their backups are cartridge-specific, you can't restore them into another cart unlike ram2sav).
I personally don't think it's worth getting it while the browser exploit is still alive. Not saving with glitchmons should be enough to keep you safe.

#### Re: Invalid Pokémon in Gen 6

Posted by: MidnightNinetales
Date: 2015-02-27 22:51:52

> Well, not really. It's known to zap cartridges, either randomly or after using for a while. Have seen lots of people on reddit and even a friend getting their games bricked (and it's physical, the game doesn't even show up on the 3DS anymore). And they limit you to their online cheat list, so for glitch research it'd be only useful for backuping (also keep in mind that their backups are cartridge-specific, you can't restore them into another cart unlike ram2sav).
> I personally don't think it's worth getting it while the browser exploit is still alive. Not saving with glitchmons should be enough to keep you safe.

I probably won't get one, then.
It seems like saving with a Gen 6 glitch Pokemon is more dangerous than in the early games. I don't recall anything about games getting bricked from them in Gen 1 and 2, though I could be wrong. The worst that I've heard of happening was having to start a new game. Along with being more complex, is Gen 6 also more fragile?

#### Re: Invalid Pokémon in Gen 6

Posted by: Stackout
Date: 2015-02-28 04:43:22
I have a powersaves, and so I backed up my save with it before putting a 0x1337 in my party and saving.
For the record, I tried to wonder trade it, GTS it, and Battle Spot with it. None worked.
BTW, anyone tried experimenting with glitch Pokémon on X/Y?
EDIT: just tried resuming the save i made last night and got the exact same thing, freeze on black screen right after starting.
So it's basically confirmed, you do NOT want to save with a glitch Pokémon in your party. Restoring my previous save backup with powersaves, indeed, fixed the issue.
I wonder what causes the freeze issue. I doubt we'll ever see a fix, unless you can do a local trade/battle of glitch Pokémon. Which I'll hopefully try later.

#### Re: Invalid Pokémon in Gen 6

Posted by: Flameduck
Date: 2015-02-28 04:49:49

> > Well, not really. It's known to zap cartridges, either randomly or after using for a while. Have seen lots of people on reddit and even a friend getting their games bricked (and it's physical, the game doesn't even show up on the 3DS anymore). And they limit you to their online cheat list, so for glitch research it'd be only useful for backuping (also keep in mind that their backups are cartridge-specific, you can't restore them into another cart unlike ram2sav).
> > I personally don't think it's worth getting it while the browser exploit is still alive. Not saving with glitchmons should be enough to keep you safe.

> I probably won't get one, then.
> It seems like saving with a Gen 6 glitch Pokemon is more dangerous than in the early games. I don't recall anything about games getting bricked from them in Gen 1 and 2, though I could be wrong. The worst that I've heard of happening was having to start a new game. Along with being more complex, is Gen 6 also more fragile?

The 3DS will brick stuff like hacks/cheats/stuff like cheating devices and 3DS games probably have the anti-cheat/hack payload in place. I've seen people get their games bricked by editing some Pokemon in the party on Google.

#### Re: Invalid Pokémon in Gen 6

Posted by: Tsukuu
Date: 2015-02-28 05:56:05

> The 3DS will brick stuff like hacks/cheats/stuff like cheating devices and 3DS games probably have the anti-cheat/hack payload in place. I've seen people get their games bricked by editing some Pokemon in the party on Google.

More like the gen 6 games have different way to handle the party/location that you can't edit them directly or something, as they get kind of cached and if there's a mismatch the game will go apeshit. On the glitch pokémon thing, it can't retrieve all data and gets locked forever, affecting even the 3DS system (sometimes even if you press Power and get the gray screen, if you press Home you'll still get the freeze).
Anyway, Wack0 confirmed that your cart is not physically bricked, so you can indeed save it by either using a tool like Powersaves (does it actually have an option to format the cartridge?) or transferring it to a digital version using the official tool then deleting the digital save.

#### Re: Invalid Pokémon in Gen 6

Posted by: Stackout
Date: 2015-02-28 07:40:16

> (does it actually have an option to format the cartridge?)

Don't think so. You should be able to write some save dump found online though. If there's no powersaves save dumps for ORAS available, I'll gladly contribute my Omega Ruby save, same for my X save.

#### Re: Invalid Pokémon in Gen 6

Posted by: Tsukuu
Date: 2015-02-28 07:46:46

> > (does it actually have an option to format the cartridge?)

> Don't think so. You should be able to write some save dump found online though. If there's no powersaves save dumps for ORAS available, I'll gladly contribute my Omega Ruby save, same for my X save.

But Powersaves' savefiles are cart-specific for some reason. So I guess now the only way to format is either using the digital method I said earlier, or corrupting it on purpose using a savedongle meant for DS games that work on pré-AC:NL games?

#### Re: Invalid Pokémon in Gen 6

Posted by: Darth Nightmaricus
Date: 2015-02-28 12:19:21
I found one…0x2d9 has Shaymin Sky Forme's cry. 0x2dA has Giratina's cry, and is also Bulbasaur.
Number 0x000 is just…the Mystery Egg.

#### Re: Invalid Pokémon in Gen 6

Posted by: MidnightNinetales
Date: 2015-03-01 04:14:59
The game softlocks when 0x100a 's summary is viewed, as well as when you try to exit the box with or without it in your party. It has no model. It seems like it cannot be used. It also appears that you have a bit more time to press the power button to return to the home menu when it softlocks than with some of the other glitches I've experimented with.
0x6152 causes a softlock when exiting its summary. It can be removed from the box without any problems.
0x2d2 (egg model) was able to complete a whole contest! (And it won!) It was a beauty contest, if that makes any difference. Some of the stuff was pretty amusing since it looks like an egg. I'll try to get a picture. Anyway, after the contest, the lady told me I could participate in the next rank or whatever, and I was free to move around. I tried to open the Pokemon menu, but the game softlocked with a black screen. I'll try to find out if it was the ribbon that caused it. Also, saving a picture from the contest to the SD card won't save the game, right?
Edit: In case any of you want to enter a contest with an egg without needing PKHeX, here's the QR code:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/NhRu1xw.png[/img]
Its moves are Spore, Lock On, Sheer Cold, and Giga Drain.
Double Edit: I won the beauty contest with 0x2d2 again. I maxed its beauty stat so it would be easier. This time, instead of trying to view my Pokemon, I attempted to exit the contest hall. The game softlocked.
Triple Edit: I purposefully failed a beauty contest with 0x2d2. The game did not softlock when viewing my Pokemon, though it could also be related to that star in the blue outfit taking me into the back room because it was my first contest I'd ever lost. I'll lose another contest after this one without resetting and see if it softlocks or not.
Edit Combo x4: I failed another contest with 0x2d2. That star with the blue clothes didn't take me to the back room, but I was able to view my Pokemon, view 0x2d2 's status, and leave the contest hall.

#### Re: Invalid Pokémon in Gen 6

Posted by: sunriseespeon
Date: 2015-03-01 08:25:06
Has anyone tried to take invalid Pokémon into Amie?
I would try this myself but my 3DS camera has trouble with QR codes and the modified PKHeX wont load for me.
Also, one question: why do all the invalids have the moveset Spore / Lock On / Sheer Cold / Giga Drain? Is it just something that it forces itself to do? The closest thing I can think of is when I tried to inject a level 100+ Pokémon, but it reverted to 100.

#### Re: Invalid Pokémon in Gen 6

Posted by: Tsukuu
Date: 2015-03-01 08:31:02

> Has anyone tried to take invalid Pokémon into Amie?
> I would try this myself but my 3DS camera has trouble with QR codes and the modified PKHeX wont load for me.

Game freezes.
Speaking of Amie, all perma-megas and formes kinda crash Amie but not the game, you just get a short black screen then get kicked out. The exceptions are Pirouette Meloetta and Zen Darmanitan. Instead, they glitch in Amie showing on both screens and not having proper animations (puffs get instantly eaten without them moving, for instance). Upon trying to leave Amie, the game crashes.
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